WheelchairDriver.com

 

Disabled Badge Logo

Questions, want to share?
 
Message board


Forum

MENUS:

Home

POWER WHEELCHAIR:
Everything powerchair
HERE

MOBILITY VEHICLES:
Wheelchair accessible vehicles HERE

EVERYTHING ELSE:
Everything else HERE


THIS BM3 POWERCHAIR
PAGES:

BM3 powerchair

BM3 Lithium Ion Phosphate battery

15 MPH speed detail

Charger & charging the Lithium battery

Construction detail

Roboteq control system and joystick Info
 


EARLIER VERSIONS: 

BM1 powerchair

BM2 powerchair
 


Convert a Power Wheelchair to Lithium Ion Phosphate Battery Power

Are you looking for "Lithium" batteries to replace your existing 22NF or GROUP 24 Gel or AGM batteries?


It can be done properly with HUGE benefits in range, charge speed + battery service life.

CONVERT YOUR POWERCHAIR TO LITHIUM

 

HOWEVER its NOT a simple swap from your old lead based batteries to modern Lithium batteries.

If you are searching for "group 24" lithium monobloc batteries that look like your familiar lead acid batteries, (for e.g.) it is very unlikely you will find any of them suitable for a bunch of quite serious reasons discussed later. Even though they are available as shown in the image above.

There are actually quite a few manufacturers trying to provide a simple "swap" with standardised group 22, 24, 34, 27 batteries that is familiar to users of old style lead batteries. But these are (as of Nov 2011) not any real use in a hi end powerchair.

My OWN powerchairs for e.g. DO already use safe, Lithium Ion Nano Phosphate batteries (But NOT monobloc batteries.) with MASSIVE benefits.  Not least of which is all day (or all week!) use, even with a real world 45 mile range between charges! And a 10 year expected service life.

So, why not use today's Monobloc "replacement" lithium group 24 or 22nf batteries?

This cannot be done today in 2011 with a pair of "replacement" 12v group 24 lithium monobloc batteries as seen in the image above at top of page.   They either do not have enough Amp (C RATE capability) or they lack the capacity that your battery compartment COULD hold. In a car, this doesn't matter.

In a powerchair it seriously does! The battery area (volume) is limited by the chairs length/width/seat height.

The image shown here shows why 1/3rd of your battery compartment is filled with wasted space rather than cells. Above the cells, and on all sides.

Because although a battery is a group 24 "size" it now only has the same 70 Ah capacity of a cheap lead battery due to this wasted space. So no real gain.  And some can do only a limited amount of amp draw,  a maximum of 50 Amps discharge rate in some cases before its internal protection circuitry disconnects it! We need 5x that! Be careful what you buy!

Another Monobloc Lithium. There are lots. Non are really suited to getting the best range/performance from a powerchair, and are aimed at people that want to fit lithium's without understanding much about them.

a) they have much wasted space, packing in the cells, and the electronics, meaning reduced capacity compared to doing it this way: My OWN Lithium battery powerchair  -- Remember the WHOLE POINT of lithium batteries is to fit more Ah (Amp Hour Capacity) into the same space!

b) Lithium cells (or batteries) cannot be used in "dumb" mode like lead, they have to be monitored during charge, and discharge, and the individual cells have to be monitored and protected and controlled to keep them "balanced". In a standard "Lithium group 24" battery solution, this is BUILT IN to the battery case. (In most aftermarket solutions).  This costs space, and Ah capacity.

c) Lithium batteries come in many types and capabilities. A Hi end power wheelchair with say a 120 Amp control system can require 120 Amps PER MOTOR simultaneously, so an intermittent 240 Amp battery draw is a regular occurrence. Many MONOBLOC battery solutions are limited to 50 or maybe 100 Amps max! Its not enough for our needs.

d) Most monobloc batteries either need a dumb charger, or one that integrates with the electronics inside the battery. So the charging system becomes tied to whatever is inside the battery case.

 


 

The NON MONOBLOC batteries below, allows my new powerchair TO SIDESTEP all of these issues above. They are very high C rate cells, that are able to deliver some huge currents, around 5 times more than required at many hundreds of amps.

And because there is no built in electronics, or space wasted trying to fit them into familiar shaped battery cases to please the uninitiated. So more capacity can be fitted into the same battery Volume/space. So doing it this way allows about 30 percent extra battery capacity to be utilized.

72 such cells makes a PAIR of 12v batteries that are physically the same size or less than two conventional group 24 batteries.  Although there are actually 78 cells in this one big pack.

This battery below gives you:

  • 10 YEAR minimum expected battery life!
  • 2x the storage capacity at low rate use (5 hour rate)
  • 3x the storage capacity at hi rate use (1 hour rate)
  • 3x the usual "hi end" powerchairs typical range (45+ real world miles)
  • Very fast charging (can be as fast as 20 mins)
  • Much lower internal resistance for more torque and power! (1/4 that of lead)
  • Charge much less often - average use, weekly.
  • No sulphation
  • HALF the weight
  • Safe LiFePO4 technology
  • No memory
  • MUCH cheaper LONG TERM use
  • Greater reliability
  • Allows a 15mph powerchair speed with no loss of torque or range

Lithium powerchair bsattery

But while this has HUGE advantages its part of a "system" since there is no one size fits all BMS system built into the pure simple battery.


 

 

Some more related pages:

CONVERT YOUR POWERCHAIR TO LITHIUM

 

Much more here:

 

Questions, want to share?

 


 

  BM3 INFO: BM3 Home | BM3 Lithium battery | BM3 15 MPHCharging Lithium | Construction detail | Roboteq controller

 

  

     

 

 

 

 



Home     Site Map     Links    Contact Me     Privacy Policy 

 

 

 

Content, Images, Software & Design (c) Burgerman 1996 & aggressively protected by whatever means needed  --  Message Board

  eXTReMe Tracker