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Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life,

Postby Burgerman » 05 Oct 2017, 17:16

I'm a christian pentecostal this is my religion, and i believe God because he created this univers and the galaxy and he created me and you to and all the people,

HOW do you know this? Evidence? Or mental conditioning (brain washing) when young?
One huge problem with religous people is that they claim to know things, that nobody knows or can know at least yet. However science is only just getting started. So give it a few hundred years. And they cannot tell anyone HOW they know!
and the Bible says in Genesis chapter 1, vers 26 and 27 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

But the bible means nothing to me, unless you can show that its true. Its just a book written by frankly ignorant iron age men, long after the events were supposed to have happened. Mostly by unknown people. Just stories passed on, since there was nothing to write on, or with... And theres absolutely no reason to believe any of it is true, any more true than any fiction book. So anything you read from that book means nothing unless you can demonstrate that its true. And it should mean nothing to you either! How do you know which bits are true, if any? Please show your supporting evidence?
This is what i believe John.

I know you do. And you ignore all the contradiction with both the book itself and with science now that we know better, and even your own morals. But its WHY you believe it that I am interested in. To believe in something, without good reason, is not rational. So I wantto see your evidence that its true. And without this, theres no reason to believe any of it! Why dont you believe the koran? (because you just happened to be born in a place where children were brainwashed into your particular religion?)
But i want to know if you believe in some God?

Of course not. There is literally no supporting evidence for any of the many hundreds of god(s) that are no longer fashionable, or todays selection, including yours. To believe in something without good reason is simply wrong! It would make me irational, delusional. You believe because you were brainwashed/conditioned when young into your specific religion. And not for any sane rational reason based on evidence. Tell me, why are you not a hindu? Because you dont believe it? Thats only because you were not born in india and brainwashed by hindus... Or the Buddist's "Tripitaka" texts? Are they true?
Colossians chapter 2, vers 8-9 "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."

Thats from your favorite book? Why would you believe any of that? Or take any notice of it? Why not read say, the star-wars books? or the koran. What gives your book more credibility? What EVIDENCE do you have to believe a word of it, or that any gods exist? Because so far, there isnt any evidence ever, anywhere! Only endless circular reasoning while a believer tries to justify his "faith".

Do you know what faith means? Its a word used to describe belief in something without good reason. Religions push that word, and make it seem like its a good thing. Its not. It just a lack of reason. A failure of logic. A means to make you believe something that makes no sense, and has no supporting evidence.
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Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life,

Postby hobie1dog » 05 Oct 2017, 21:39

Elryko1992- you should go to this website and read all 50 proofs, then watch the videos. (Which there is a link at the bottom)

https://godisimaginary.com/

Christianity is nothing more than a Roman story. Please watch this video showing the history of Christianity, which is all based on Astro theology, described in the video. If you think this is all false information, I can provide another YouTube video that tells the same info in a lecture by a professor. This is simply history. The virgin birth, miracles, crucified death, resurrection after 3 days, etc.,is even carved on the walls of the Egyptian pyramids, as you will learn about in the video. Over 20 people have the same story throughout history, over centuries. Jesus just happens to be the latest.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=1610s&v=eWNBz6HZTgs Called : Religion- The Greatest Story Ever Told

Discover logical, rational thinking, it is very liberating. And yes , I was brainwashed as a Catholic and unfortunately remained that way until age 50. :(

Respond back after reading the 50 proofs, the videos, and the YouTube video on the history of religion.
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Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life,

Postby hobie1dog » 05 Oct 2017, 22:09

And you really have to watch the George Carlin comedy skit- Religion is Bullshit

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8r-e2NDSTuE
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Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life,

Postby Burgerman » 05 Oct 2017, 22:53

The problem is that the brainwashing overides all logic and reason. They will not watch, learn, or accept real science and actual knowledge, the actual truth. They protect their delusion at any cost, usually by running away from difficut questions such as I just asked above. Or by twisting everything around into a confused irrelivant corcle.

For eg. The scientific method. The only way we have to get to the actual truth.

So before you go deciding some god did something, like creating universes, you must first demonstrate (with facts and evidence) that there is a god! Nobody has managed that bit yet. So we can dismiss all the rest instantly. toiletpush

In my country, almost all the people have no religion. They just never think about such things as gods or spirits or afterlifes and stuff. I really do not know anyone around here that is remotely religous. We see people that are as a sort of cult, a delusion. They are a dying breed. Theres a few left, mostly the older generation, or immigrants. But the native white british people below about 70 years are almost universally free of all that sort of cult in 2017. The US is following suit, over time its dying away. But right now still is very religous compared to most western civilised countries. In time it dies away as educational levels and access to real information becomes easier. For eg the internet.
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Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life,

Postby elryko1992 » 06 Oct 2017, 15:22

No one wash my brain John, i choose this, becuase i feel this God in my heart and i read the Bible, and i think this is the only way to heaven, and if you don't want to know this way even... there is no point in this discussing, you don't want to try even to know this God or to read Bible or to do something to know or to see if is real or not, you want only the proof, the greatest proof is all the people from planet including you and me, we are created by God :) . And you and all the people some time you will know the true, when Jesus comes again from heaven. Sorry for my bad english. God Bless You! And don't forget he loves you, and he waiting you to love him with all your heart. Have nice day!
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Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life,

Postby Burgerman » 06 Oct 2017, 15:39

I studied physics. Everything he says in that video is perfectly correct. Right up to the point where we dont know what came before or at the point of the big bang. Then he makes the LEAP and invokes a god. The correct answr of course is that we have no idea what came before, or if anything did.

So its nonsense to go from "we dont know" to, a "god" did it... Thats the part where he makes zero sense. This is what all religous people do. They start with the conclusion, and try to fit the facts to it.

So 0 out of 10. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQVm8RokoBA

And this mostly makes no sense and is quotes taken out of context that dont prove athing. For eg the "fine tuning" argunent is rediculous because of course the universe looks made for us as we evolved to fit this earth! It like a puddle being amazed that the hole in the ground fits it perfectly and so must have been carefully designed! Same old arguments as always! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er9D00DXQQs Again, nonsense. And did you ever consider that almost all of the universe is lethal to us. Including the bit you are stood on? In a few billion years it will be destroyed by the expanding sun and burned to a crisp... Rediculous video.

And of course even if ALL of the above is true, and its not. It still doesent form any evidence for a god, only the same old WE DONT KNOW! :lol:

If I claimed to have an invisible flying dragon in my garage that only I can see, that created the universe. You wouldnt believe me would you? Unless I provided some fantastically strong supporting evidence. To suit the fantastical claim. Well this is no different. My dragon created the universe. Do you believe it? :lol:
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Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life,

Postby Burgerman » 06 Oct 2017, 16:05

No one wash my brain John, i choose this, becuase i feel this God in my heart and i read the Bible, and i think this is the only way to heaven,

First of all YOU ARE brainwashed. Why do you suppose that you have the religion of those around you?
Tell me this. What religion would you have had if you were born in:
UK?
India?
iddle East?
Ancient egypt?
Ancient greece?
This alone proves that you have taken up the religion that you were "taught" when young, while your plastic brain is easily rewired (brainwashed.)

Answer this one question as religous people tend to ignore all the plainly obvious facts!

and if you don't want to know this way even... there is no point in this discussing, you don't want to try even to know this God or to read Bible or to do something to know or to see if is real or not, you want only the proof, the greatest proof is all the people from planet including you and me, we are created by God :
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Sorry I am not interested in some feel good cult. Only in the TRUTH. Describe your god, and then show me the evidence that he is actually real, and I am all for it! Actually even then, I wouldnt worship a violent egotistical thug regardless.
. And you and all the people some time you will know the true, when Jesus comes again from heaven. Sorry for my bad english. God Bless You! And don't forget he loves you, and he waiting you to love him with all your heart. Have nice day!


Like thats goint to happen! If this jesus guy actually existed, and even thats doubtful, he is as dead as all the other iron age savages that lived thousands of years ago. Dead as dead can be. Comming back? Dont be rediculous!

And this love thing. He (your god) already supposedly created the universe and knows everything, and it is perfect etc. So then he knew from day one that we would all have to be murdered in a massive flood? And that we would need "saving"... From him! And by him... The whole story doesent even make any sense.

And that we should take slaves? And that we are all born "sinners" and would need to keep praying to him or that he loved us so much that we get sent to a fire pit for eternity? Loving? Its a sick joke on people like you that have to waste yor life following this crap. Its a violent cult based on a magic sky fairy that never existed. Even if he was real, I wouldnt worship him, since he is worse than any mafia boss, and way more violent and cruel!
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Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life,

Postby Burgerman » 06 Oct 2017, 16:11

So...

First of all YOU ARE brainwashed. Why do you suppose that you have the religion of those around you?
Tell me this. What religion would you have had if you were born in:
UK?
India?
Middle East?
Ancient egypt?
Ancient greece?
Himolayas?
This alone proves that you have taken up the religion that you were "taught" when young, while your plastic brain is easily rewired (brainwashed.)

Answer this one question as religous people tend to ignore all the plainly obvious facts!
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Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life,

Postby elryko1992 » 06 Oct 2017, 16:40

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Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life,

Postby Burgerman » 06 Oct 2017, 17:06

Religion in Hungary has been dominated by forms of Christianity for centuries. THAT is the only reason you are christian. You were conditioned by those around you into believing it.

The question was:
IF you were born in say afghanistan, syria, turkey, egypt today, what religion would you likely THEN be? I can answer for you. You would be a Muslim. The book you believed would be the koran... And you would hate christians and want them dead. All because you would then have been brainwashed into being muslim simply because of where you were born.

If you were born in ancient egypt, you would worship Ra,the sun god.

And in anciant greece? You would worship many gods, the classical greek ones:
Zeus
Hera
Poseidon
Demeter
Ares
Athena
Apollo
Artemis
Hephaestus
Aphrodite
Hermes
Dionysus
Hades
Hypnos
Nike
Janus
Nemesis
Iris
Hecate
Tyche

And in say norway in the past? You woud worship Thor! With his hammer :hammer

If you were born in the UK today, you would worship nothing, and think a god is rediculous because we are no longer brainwashed into any of this stuff.

So if you were born in india, you would almost definitely be a? _________ (the answer you are looking for is Hindu!)

And now as an xstian, you cannot face the truth. so will ignore it completely or change the subject, or do something that evadeds the obvios conclusion. You brainwashing will not allow you to accept the truth even when its pointed out. Dont worry, its not personal! I never blame religous people. They cant help it, they were mentally manipulated as they grew up. What I am trying to do is make you open your mind, to think, to free you from your chains.
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Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life,

Postby hobie1dog » 07 Oct 2017, 04:09

So have you read the 50 Proofs, and watched the videos on http://www.GodIsImaginary.com yet? Then just watch this one 10 minute video for me
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HVuw1wEuaAQ
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Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life,

Postby Burgerman » 07 Oct 2017, 08:54

hobi do you remember before you escaped from your brainwashing? You couldnt watch or accept such things. You wouldnt watch, you didnt have an open mind, you would have ignored it or burried head in the sand sand.

The problem is that the religous conditioning is so strong that you *could not* accept or risk looking too closely at anything that shows you might be wrong. Even for science, you would cling to religous cherry picked, or plain wrong explanations or things taken out of context. Most religions have a special version of science that they use. So they can explain away with cherry picked bits and peices, and leaps to gods etc. Its all bullshit however. Like the videos elryko1992 posted. So you must avoid anything that might challenge your world-view at all costs. So he will *not* watch or look at your vids or web pages. He simply cannot.

He must :worship the great invisible violent mafia thug in the sky at all costs! He doesent have any choice, because he is programmed as you were. The technical term is: Mentally bonkers.

elryko1992. All we are trying to do, is to free you from these chains, guilt, and distorted reality. Allow you to experience the world as it really is. Its a far bigger, better world and is more interesting and a more exiting one than your restricted small religous one. You will feel free instead. You will look back and wonder what sort of madness religion is. You can forget about all that imaginary stuff, and nobody is "watching" you to control you... Nobody is attacking you. Only the religous delusion that was forced onto you, that you and many others are struggling under but do not realise.
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Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life,

Postby ex-Gooserider » 10 Oct 2017, 02:06

Besides anything else, how does anyone buy "Intelligent Design" when said designer puts a hazardous waste disposal site in the middle of a recreational area???

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Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life,

Postby hobie1dog » 12 Oct 2017, 00:53

ex-Gooserider wrote:Besides anything else, how does anyone buy "Intelligent Design" when said designer puts a hazardous waste disposal site in the middle of a recreational area???

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Neil DeGrasse Tyson uses that same question in his astrophysics talks.
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Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life,

Postby Burgerman » 12 Oct 2017, 01:18

elryko1992 isnt putting up much of a defence! :computer
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Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life,

Postby Burgerman » 12 Oct 2017, 01:20

Neil DeGrasse Tyson uses that same question in his astrophysics talks.


And he copied it from dawkins!
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Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life,

Postby hobie1dog » 05 Apr 2018, 20:34

Elryko1992- two questions for you.

Do you wear eyeglasses?
Do you have children?
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Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life,

Postby Burgerman » 06 Apr 2018, 02:51

I dont have children. If I did I wouldnt brainwash them into some religous cult, and I wouldnt take a perfect newborn miracle and decide it needs improving and saw a bit off with a sharp rock. Or worse with still with muslims and women. Nor would I think slaves were a good thing, or murdering gays or witches :shock: As it does in the bible, or or non believers... As it says in the koran.

And yes:
Elryko1992- two questions for you.

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Do you have children?
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Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life,

Postby elryko1992 » 27 May 2018, 20:20

hobie1dog wrote:Elryko1992- two questions for you.

Do you wear eyeglasses?
Do you have children?


Sorry for late, now i see your post.

No glasses!
No children!

i have 25 years old. :thumbup:
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Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life,

Postby elryko1992 » 27 May 2018, 20:22

Burgerman wrote:I dont have children. If I did I wouldnt brainwash them into some religous cult, and I wouldnt take a perfect newborn miracle and decide it needs improving and saw a bit off with a sharp rock. Or worse with still with muslims and women. Nor would I think slaves were a good thing, or murdering gays or witches :shock: As it does in the bible, or or non believers... As it says in the koran.

And yes:
Elryko1992- two questions for you.

Do you wear eyeglasses?
Do you have children?


sorry for late, now i see your post.

No glasses!
No children!

i have 25 years old. John :D
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Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life,

Postby Burgerman » 28 May 2018, 14:05

Do you think, hindu gods, greek gods, norsk gods likeb thor, or nutters like the mormons, sun gods like the egyption gods, roman gods, muslim god, and 101 other gods are real?

ALL those people believed, the silly delusion. They all thought your god was stupid. And theirs was the truth.

If not can you tell me why, and how yours is any different?

I am not trying to do anything but open your eyes to reality. Nothing personal against youor any religous person. Even muslims are not personally my enemy, only their delusion causes the problem. As all religion does in so many ways. You see you are an athiest, exactly like me in regards all the gods above. I just go one god further.

And why the above doesent make you take astrp back and see it for what it is. Delusion. Conditioning. Brain washing.
So I am genuinely interested in your answer. Bu like all religous people they run away and will do anything but confront reality to protect their delusion. So I expect you wont give one.
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Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life,

Postby elryko1992 » 29 May 2018, 09:59

Burgerman wrote:Do you think, hindu gods, greek gods, norsk gods likeb thor, or nutters like the mormons, sun gods like the egyption gods, roman gods, muslim god, and 101 other gods are real?

ALL those people believed, the silly delusion. They all thought your god was stupid. And theirs was the truth.

If not can you tell me why, and how yours is any different?

I am not trying to do anything but open your eyes to reality. Nothing personal against youor any religous person. Even muslims are not personally my enemy, only their delusion causes the problem. As all religion does in so many ways. You see you are an athiest, exactly like me in regards all the gods above. I just go one god further.

And why the above doesent make you take astrp back and see it for what it is. Delusion. Conditioning. Brain washing.
So I am genuinely interested in your answer. Bu like all religous people they run away and will do anything but confront reality to protect their delusion. So I expect you wont give one.


I believe only in JESUS CHRIST, all the "gods" are only men how die and only that, but Jesus is not only a dead God its alive. You read the Biblie once time? Old testament or New? And after you will think different and you will see no one wash my brain.

John chapter 1 - from Bible
1:1 From the first he was the Word, and the Word was in relation with God and was God.
1:2 This Word was from the first in relation with God.
1:3 All things came into existence through him, and without him nothing was.
1:4 What came into existence in him was life, and the life was the light of men.

My english is bad i can answer so good. Try to search more about Jesus and understand the Bible and you will see is not a religion, or delusion, or muslim or hindu, this god is make from people not a real god like Jesus son of true God, i don;t protect anything. Some day John you will know the truth if you don't want to believe now, or to search the truth. But be carefull after you will dead you can't do nothing for your soul. And that is your personal choice, think better.
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Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life,

Postby Burgerman » 29 May 2018, 11:19

And that is your delusion. And theres no such thing as souls, ghosts, fairies, magic, invisible sky thugs, heavens or hells. Unless you have some supporting evidence? The time to believe something is when the evidence supports it! Not before. Why do you suspend your normal rules of logic when this subject comes up? (because of brain washing)...

Question. Why should anyone believe anything in the bible?
To me after reading it, (and also the koran), in school, both are unbelievable books! Full of frankly childish rediculous and obvious contradictory nonsense! Neither make any sense. You would have to be very ignorant, or gullible to believe almost all of it.

So what makes you believe all those rediculous stories? Most of them read like childrens fairy tales, interspaced with ignorance, violence, immorality, like stoning your children, or keeping slaves, murdering gays etc. So why would any sane rational human believe any of it?

All religion is man made, and all of it causes suffering, and problems. And yours isnt any different unless you can show your god is real. With actual evidence, because some old book is not evidence of anything other than some ignorant iron age savages/story tellers wrote a book...

I can write a fiction book myself. Its proof of nothing.
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Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life,

Postby Burgerman » 29 May 2018, 12:52

I believe only in JESUS CHRIST, all the "gods" are only men how die and only that, but Jesus is not only a dead God its alive. You read the Biblie once time? Old testament or New? And after you will think different and you will see no one wash my brain.

Why should anyone care what an old book says? Most of it is demonstrably false. And it never occured to you that the hundreds of other religions also believe in their gods just the same as you do in yours. Has it ever occured to you that yours is just as rediculous?
John chapter 1 - from Bible
1:1 From the first he was the Word, and the Word was in relation with God and was God.
1:2 This Word was from the first in relation with God.
1:3 All things came into existence through him, and without him nothing was.
1:4 What came into existence in him was life, and the life was the light of men.

Its just a book written by ignorant backward iron age men long after the supposed events. If they ever happened at all. And there plenty of reason to doubt it. Even a 6 year old couldnt take most of it seriously! The bible is not a reliable source of information. So obviously I dont care what it says. And if you were not brainwashed you would not believe it either! No sane person could.

My english is bad i can answer so good. Try to search more about Jesus and understand the Bible and you will see is not a religion, or delusion, or muslim or hindu, this god is make from people not a real god like Jesus son of true God, i don;t protect anything. Some day John you will know the truth if you don't want to believe now, or to search the truth. But be carefull after you will dead you can't do nothing for your soul. And that is your personal choice, think better.

Delusion!

If not, tell me. Why dont you believe in all the other gods, father xmas, elves, fairies, etc? Because theres exactly the same amount of evidence in every case! I can answer for you. You would need EVIDENCE to go with all the other claims. But for your god, you treat it differently. You suspend your normal logic and reason. Because you are brainwashed.
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Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life,

Postby hobie1dog » 30 May 2018, 02:22

Even though you won't watch it, I'll still post this video for you to watch which says the same thing as the other previous videos I tried to get you to watch- Jesus is a mythical figure.

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Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life,

Postby Burgerman » 30 May 2018, 10:03

Head in sand he cannot look, "belief" (the word used to describe something you believe with no good evedence) is the refusal to look at his own god with the same critical assessement as all the hundreds of others that you think are false.

He will not (cannot in fact) confront reality as it goes against the delusion/conditioning. Trapped in his "belief/fear" bubble, in the circular reasoning that has been injected into his head. In exactly the same way as every other religion throughout history.

Incidentally, elryko1992, reading your bible PROPERLY instead of listening to bits that are read to you in churches and using the logic, and the natural morals you were born with is the biggest and most successful method of turning "believers" weather xstians or any other religion into athiests. An athiest isnt bad. Its simply a person thats free of your chains. Learn to use sceptical methodology wisely, everywhere, and not selectively. And you can be free of your chains too.
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Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life,

Postby hobie1dog » 30 May 2018, 23:30

The Bible is likely the most violent filled book ever put together, with well over 1 million people killed. Just read the first page of this site:

http://www.evilbible.com/

These are the hundreds of verses that are NEVER read in church. I will never be able to forgive or forget the church for ruining my childhood with the perpetual threat of Hell by an imaginary god. I just shake my head now at how repulsive and ridiculous is for religion to abuse children with this sh;t.
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Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life,

Postby Burgerman » 31 May 2018, 01:28

It works. Look how many are just too scared to use the same logic and reason on their religion as they do with every other subject, or scared to even investigate their own religion skeptically, and face reality!

In the UK, its hard to find religous people unless either immigrants or old. I dont know anyone that is religous. The mass of the indiginous population here abandoned all that mumbo jumbo a good few generations ago. Some still answer a question on religion as christian. But they laugh if you ask if they believe in a god. Strange really, they plainly do not believe, but some somehow think they are christians because they were christened by a parent going through societies standard habits. Churches as such, that are still open, are quite scarce now. And used mostly for weddings, and christenings. As a photographic backdrop. Nobody takes it seriously today. At least nobody under about 70 that I know. Its gone.

As such, watching stuff like Athiest Experience webcast TV on a sunday nght from Austin, Texas, facinates me. Partly because some normal persons actually feel the need to be called athiests. Instead of just normal sane people. And partly at the sad pathetic reasons/arguments callers give as their reasons for believing a god is real. After 7 years of watching I never heard a remotely convincing argument. And they are all plainly bewildered! https://www.youtube.com/user/TheAtheistExperience Some are good, some are crap, like the last one were the web went down... Very amateur.
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