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Postby Burgerman » 13 Aug 2017, 00:49

in Virginia. Not about the rights and wrongs of what happened. But free speech. The liberals on your news channels are saying that while you have a right to free speech it does not mean you can use "hate speech". So a right demonstration of so called "white supremicists" is illegal. Since this is hate and THAT is illegal... And many cops were saying to those present to "break up the demonstration as it was an "illegal meeting". Clearly on film, on the news.

Hate speech of course, depends on your point of view. Everybody pretty much hates the kkk. But now you are not ALLOWED to say its a good thing even if YOU think it is. Your opinion is not allowed! So much for free speech. You are not allowed to use your own opinion! If you are a liberal, you cant say muslims, or blacks, or any other group are bad. For whatever logical and easy to demonstrate reasons. So your freedom of speech, as I predicted years ago on here, is basically only free when it agrees with the new liberal values. Which gets worse and worse over time as you all get brainwashed by the schools, media, governments. Every religion, colour, race, is equal. And even if they are not, you cant say so.

Saying otherwise (like a 3rd world somalian muslim from a violent desperate culture, where death, rape, corruption, theft is a normal way of life and all they know is a seriously bad fit in a western civilised country is a bad thing) is hate speech. You can no longer even use the honest truth if it upsets a liberal globalist idiots opinion.

Soon, you will not be allowed to say anything bad about muslims (or any other group) if for e.g. while they rapidly turn your country into a 3rd world ghetto. Wanting and demanding more rights, and more of the rules of your society changing to not offend their religous views and opinions... We see this all over europe. You have not got enough of them yet.

So what do you think?
I think that modern liberal values as portrayed by the ruling classes and the media, is incompatible with your freedom of speech. Are the far right allowed a view? The liberals say they are faciests. And thats THEIR opinion. Why is that allowed?
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Postby LROBBINS » 13 Aug 2017, 01:06

The alt-right/white supremacy march WAS issued a permit BECAUSE in the U.S. people DO have a right to express even abhorrent speech. It was only when the marchers started beating up the counter marchers - eight received emergency medical treatment - when it was no longer an issue of free speech, that emergency powers were invoked and both the right-wing and left-wing demonstrations. Unfortunately, not long afterward someone (not yet apprehended, but his license tag was photographed) plowed his car into a peaceful, non-protesting, non-marching group of "lefties" (as you would call them) who were nowhere near the alt-right crowd killing one and injuring many.
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Postby LROBBINS » 13 Aug 2017, 01:10

The driver of the murder car has now been arrested. How much you want to bet that he is a "Christian".
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Postby sacharlie » 13 Aug 2017, 02:53

Burgerman wrote:
So what do you think?


The Plutocracy as always has you missing the forest for the trees.
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Postby Burgerman » 13 Aug 2017, 03:14

WAS issued a permit BECAUSE in the U.S. people DO have a right to express even abhorrent speech. It was only when the marchers started beating up the counter marchers - eight received emergency medical treatment - when it was no longer an issue of free speech, that emergency powers were invoked and both the right-wing and left-wing demonstrations.


I was watching the US news stations and watching the various vids of the police trying to break up the demonstration of what can only be described as nazis. Itwas declared an illegal meeting BEFORE it started because of "hate speech". Sessions on news said while we have freedom of speech, hate speech cannot be tolerated. (his liberal opinion of what constitutes hate.)

They said very clearly that free speech was allowed. But hate speech was definitely not. And that it was an offence to say anything that incites trouble as they were doing. And that it was declared an illegal gathering before it started. That was from various groups of cops, and the various liberals interviewed on the news channels.

So free speech, is allowed only if it agrees with the liberal viewpoint. If yours happens to be different, opposite, if it doesent agree, then its called hate speech and gets shut down. The liberals and political correctness have taken over. I am not saying I agree with those people as they are racist which dont personally agree with. But thats their legitimate opinion like it or not. And they should be entitled to say so. Its not the liberal gov/media job to tell them what they should think or what they can say. Only that free speech now means whatever the liberal governing classes, lefty types, students, etc say it is. And it gets nore restrictive over time. As it has here.

So "hate speech" is illegal. And the definition of hate speech is down to the modern globalist liberal point of view. Which it automatically assumed by them to be correct. And anything else must be wrong. So is in direct conflict with the free speech law.
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Postby Burgerman » 13 Aug 2017, 03:30

How much you want to bet that he is a "Christian"


And white. How do I know? They never shot him :D (wrong place for humour...)

To be fair, most of the US are still xstians in this new century. Amazingly. I really dont get that. I honedtly dont know any.

And whilst not racist, I am extremely anti religion. Not just 8th century muslims with their violent intolerant ideology. But all religion. As a famous man once said:

Bad people do bad things. Good people do good things. But it takes religion to make good people do bad things.

And religion has been spectacularly good at causing death and destruction, suffering and repression for centuries. And its never ending. A distorted delusional world view can do no other than distort your decision making. Its not possible to be a rational thinking sane human if you are suffering delusions.

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Postby Burgerman » 13 Aug 2017, 21:50

I see trump is unpopular on the US news! Again. He really is a retard. His daughter would make a better president.
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Postby sacharlie » 13 Aug 2017, 23:09

Well the latest news buzz: Trump has not denounced the white extremist groups. News flash:Obama did not denounce the black extremist groups. What no news outlet will ever report: Obama followed his orders and Trump is following his orders. Those orders to the both of them: do absolutely nothing to resolve divisive issues within and among the populace. The Plutocracy is at work as usual.
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Postby Burgerman » 13 Aug 2017, 23:48

And the evidence of your daft conspiracy theory is?

The real reason is that trump hates blacks and hispanics as much as muslims. We all know it. And of course he is plain stupid so doesent understand that you have to pretend otherwise. Quite how he thinks you can ignore the damned nazis, KKK, and openly racist black hater beats me.

The only thing I find very odd is that while I hate these nutters too, it is supposedly allowed under your constitution to say what you want. To voice your opinion. But only when that happens to agree with the liberal concensus. If your opinions, happen to be what the liberals. political classes, media consider is "wrong" or is "hate speech" then they can shut you down. You are controlled by the liberal thought police. As we saw on the streets and on news programs. So what gives them the right to decide what opinion these people are allowed to have or voice? And how may this liberal view of what is allowed change to dissallow what you consider very sane rational things in the future?

No problem in the UK. They would be in court in the moring! As they should be for openly threatening huge groups and also for actual violence. But what worries me is who gets to decide what is or is not allowed? For eg we are not allowed to voice the truth about muslims here. It may upset the "good" ones...

I also see acrosseurope that theres a huge backlash against muslims and immigrants from poor countries. Because while we are told that multiculturalism ad diversity enhances society. We actually see violence, poverty, entyre areas of 3rd world ghettos with about 5 per room. Huge increases in crime, esp rape, and theft. And lots of rudeness and ignorance too. So the people have seen what they actually get, and do not want it. But are not allowed to say so. We have to use codes.

Like anything violent or bad reported by the liberal media can never have the word muslim, or immigrant. Has to be a "man" or if he lives here a "man living in the UK" or british born, or wherever, "man" usually without name. He is always suffering "mental ilmess", and if its obvious then he is called an "islamic extremist". And they always say the police say gthey may never know the reason for the attack. Even though they repeatedly tell us its in the koran, and they are doing it for "god" and that they hate us and our way of life because of their book.

They never say, a muslim with a beard called abdul living in a council flat full of knives and explosives, from the middle east or africa. However if a white english guy that isnt a muslim is reported in the news for anything bad, they shout his name, and stress that its nothing to do with "terrorism" (code for muslim) loudly. To reinforce that its not a muslim (this time)... So we know most are of course.

I notice that today now, there are hundreds of blog feeds from hundreds of massive groups of liberal snowflakes marching in town centres US wide. All talking crap. There will be more riots and trouble. Why is so much of america, so madly racist?
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Re: Latest troubles

Postby sacharlie » 14 Aug 2017, 00:40

Burgerman wrote:And the evidence of your daft conspiracy theory is?

Evidence!
The USA is, was and always will be a Plutocracy. It sits at the top of list of all plutocratic nations. Do you think a plutocracy springs from and thrives on good deeds? Have you ever been satisfied with any news interview of anyone by any interviewer? No information for low info voters.
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Postby Burgerman » 14 Aug 2017, 00:49

So then. The evidence you used to make this rediculous claim is where... ??

You appear to be making a claim and telling me something about which you cannot possibly know any more than I do.

A claim made that has no supporting evidence, is worthless. Since it can be dismissed with a similar level of evidence.

I have a bridge to sell you.
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Postby sacharlie » 14 Aug 2017, 01:22

If you can't see it the way I do I.can't help ya. Makes no difference to me if you don't.
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Postby Burgerman » 14 Aug 2017, 01:25

Only someone thats delusional believes anything without evidence.
So no I certainly dont "see it" the way you do. Because you CANNOT know. I use logic and reason. You use "the force" or something? :lol:

You must show your "working out". As my physics teacher used to say. So we know you didnt just guess... Same trouble we have with all your "thinking"! Same reason you think socialism is going to make you richer. :D
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Postby sacharlie » 14 Aug 2017, 02:06

I pointed out how corporate America is nothing but crony capitalism and you took upon yourself to tell me i'm a socialist.
But you're right no one can begin to tell you anything because you know it all.
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Postby Burgerman » 14 Aug 2017, 10:22

I didnt claim to know. I said that I didnt know, and NEITHER DO YOU!
Your logic failed AGAIN.

And you want more redistribution of wealth. Thats the main definition of socialism! LOGIC FAILURE MUCH?

You dont have any reason to believe what you claimed to be true. So when I ask the obvious LOGICAL question, how do you know? Which is the only important question, You resort to calling me! Because you have no LOGICAL answer.

You have no supporting evidence. Just your usual nut job, conspiracy theories. (illuminati nut?) And lack logic/reason. You make no sense. Its not possible to have a meaningful discourse with someone that doesent follow the rules of logic.

I believe whatever the evidence shows. Thats all anyone SHOULD ever believe. And how strongly I believe that, is dependent on the strength of that evidence. If you are a reasonable rational sane LOGICAL thinking person you would need to operate the same way.

Instead, you: "them rich people are all corrupt, and have more everything than me. So I will believe any crazy idea that i feel could be possible or true if I choose to". WITH NO LOGIC! NO EVIDENCE?

Which is why I ignore you, and your daft claims until you show your supporting evidence. Same garbage happens every time I try to discuss anything with you. You simply dont get logic or reason. So any reasoned discussion becomes impossible.

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So tell how do you know:
-Trump has some higher up secret "boss" he must obey? (evidence?)
-He was "instructed" by them, to not call out the KKK or white supremacists? (evidence?)

Answer these accurately, and I will believe you.
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Postby Burgerman » 15 Aug 2017, 12:16

It shouldnt be a problem for you soon sacharlie, since you believe in stuff with zero supporting evidence you must also believe this one to remain logically consistent... https://www.indy100.com/article/conspir ... se-7880686

You know theres some corruption out there, but you do not know what its doing. So you guess...
Or...
You know theres some unknown planets out there but you dont know what they are doing. So you guess...

Same exact scenario. But you wont see that, because it requires logic!
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Postby Sully » 15 Aug 2017, 21:00

John what is the definition of liberal? What is liberalism defined as. Liberal as I understand it as a plentiful amount of something, or freely spread about. Perhaps; A person who favors an economic theory of laissez-faire and self-regulating markets or even showing or characterized by broad-mindedness, progressive political thinking. Even; A person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties.

What we are talking about is Civil liberties. Nothing is more out of order with civil liberties than the taking of a persons life than killing in the name of some kind of righteousness.

You use the word "liberal" as some kind of curse or disease. Just as though a liberal is some kind of beggar. I really wouldn't classify SA Charlie as some kind of liberal he is pretty conservative, and likely a somewhat of a progressive Republican. No matter that! The overview of those old money Plutocrats is deeply backwards looking, and most real forward looking liberals are really too forward seeing. These folks step over a starving man in his own neighborhood, with no legs, to race to assist an able-bodied person of color five miles away. That is a lack of focus, However, there is a "liberal" middle ground. And maybe, just maybe, the election of this president Trumplethinskin will reset the American voter philosophy in our next presidential election cycle. I happen to agree he may not have gone far enough with North Korea.

The right of free speech is not a given about many things, and cannot be shouted out or physically perpetrated to others simply because they wish to do so. Should the term "hate crime" be reassessed? Probably! Is the term Islamist terrorist sufficiently descriptive ? I do think so.
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Postby sacharlie » 15 Aug 2017, 22:00

Burgerman wrote:I didnt claim to know. I said that I didnt know, and NEITHER DO YOU!
Your logic failed AGAIN.

And you want more redistribution of wealth. Thats the main definition of socialism! LOGIC FAILURE MUCH?


KNOW THIS! I told you I don't care if anyone has more income than I. I do care if someone can retain more of his income than I thru tax loopholes and income classifications. To allow such a tax system is stupid. In a free republic there will be the rich, the poor and those in the middle. Overtaxing those in the middle to benefit the rich and poor is stupid. But I understand you can't fix stupid.
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Postby Burgerman » 16 Aug 2017, 00:15

Yes but they already pay much MORE than you. You said so. And why should they?
You never seem to get around to telling me quite why you think they should support you?

Heres why they do.
The middle are extremely numerous. 1% more tax here provides huge revenues to pay for infrastructure, bombing north korea, your social care money etc.
The top 1% are well. Just 1%... So adding even 10% extra tax on them does 2 things.

Thing 1. Its been tried. It brings in no extra money. They move teir funds, incomes, investments, properties, shares, etc to a lower taxation country. In fact it can actually REDUCE income to the tax man.

Thing 2. it reduces money for investent, jobs, and your standard of living for EVERYONE long term. See the only 2 or 3 remaining socialist countries for evidence. Moving money in the form of taxation, from the top to the middle, or the bottom ALWAYS does this, Tried, tested, over and over. All you get is a short term boost, and economic contraction long term. But I have explained this over and over but I forgot. You cant follow logic. Or see the countless examples. Because your brain seems to work in a woolly sorrt of illogic.

No more claims, guesswork. Show your working out. I can and do. And give examples. Although most are now gone. Whats left? Columbia, venuzuala, north korea, and one little island. All the rest are now free market with a rich 1%. And the less they tax the top, the richer country they are. But you are still at the black helicopters, illuminati nonsense stage.
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Postby Burgerman » 16 Aug 2017, 12:49

Been watching all your news channels. I want to know:

1. How on earth you watch any TV. Its got more 1970s adverts than programs. I cant ever remember what I am supposed to be watching.
2. Is the news ONLY trump?, because thats all I see 24/7 - same liberals going on and on about how terrible it all is. We know hes probably the dummest most racist president or person the US ever had, but the world is FULL of interesting news!
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